A Conversation About Human Design Pillars and The Experiences That Shape Us [E48]

🦋This was a guest spot I did on Danielle Polgar's podcast Tapped in Conversations. 

Check out this on Danielle's Substack! She was kind enough to give me the file because she does not publish to the main players..but the video is great and worth watching! 

Ways to work with me are in the show notes. Business Breakthrough became Quantum Shift in 2026 and is no longer available as a single session. 

Reality Check is my single session work. Available for a limited time. 

PS: I don't have my 1 off astrology work in my front facing stuff anymore but that's available to those in the know. 

Show Notes: 

Some conversations don’t teach.
 They unlock.

This one started as a guest appearance and turned into something much bigger — a real-time recognition of why so many capable people are forcing themselves into roles, offers, and identities that were never meant to hold them.

We talk Human Design without making it instructional. Astrology without turning it predictive. Business without pretending there’s a universal formula. Life without making it predictable BS. 

Fated connections, what real astrology looks like...and so much more. 

It’s about wiring. 

People talk about that fact that 2026 is the "year" of authenticity. THIS is what authentic conversations, depth, experience and leadership looks like in practice. 

Transcript

 Speaker 1  00:00

Later. Alright, so welcome. This is my second guest, and the tapped in conversations test, and I'm so delighted to welcome Sunita, who I is, a new friend of mine, who I met this year on threads of all places. And I have to say, Sunita. I don't know if you remember this, but actually our connection emerged as a result of a comment that someone I had made a, you know, a thread about astrology, I think, and then it just ensued all of these different comments from people that were pretty aggressive, and you kind of came in with this energy and this force, and really helped me out. Really helped kind of provide this like Backbone. You kind of just really cut, cut to the clarity of the moment. And I think, as I've seen you share on threads, I can really see that that's like a superpower of yours. And then recently, you shared something about human design that felt really resonant for me in terms of, you know, my personal life, because I'm a two, four profile, and I don't know much about human design, that's where you're an expert, but something about the way in which you spoke to it just like really dialed something in for me, and you said that you have that impact on people, that you have that effect of just really honing in on the thing that maybe people have heard many times before, but the way in which you deliver it is like the way that people need to receive it, right?

Speaker 2  01:47

Yes, yes. So I will shoot, shoot you to the eyes. Shoot someone between the eyes. That's what I do.

Speaker 1  01:53

It's such a cool gift. So would you just introduce a little bit about yourself, what it is that you do, and you know what your your gifts are?

Speaker 2  02:03

Yeah, happy to be here. Love threads for that, the threads I found on threads are like, I've met them in person. It's great. It's great. Yeah, so my name is Sunita. My background is very varied, Scorpio rising. I've reinvented myself 10,000 times. My background is in mathematical engineering, business, corporate America, in marketing. Then became an entrepreneur 14 years ago, and I've done a variety of things. That as an entrepreneur, I ran a marketing agency. I was the inventor of a gut health product, Virgo, 10th house, sun, yeah, I was gonna say Virgo, yeah. CEO of I digestive enzyme and prebiotic probiotic company, you think. And then when my progressed, moon went into the 12th, I became a little bit more of the health is like a more holistic spiritual and I became a spiritualist. And so that was about a decade ago, and I've been, you know, obsessed with astrology. I formally trained in astrology, and then I fell into human design about five years ago, five and a half years ago, ignored it, thought it was dumb and was like a Ponzi scheme. And then it took a hold of me, and I started applying it to business. And you mentioned your two, four, I'm a five one, which is a problem solver, and I bring visionary solutions that humans are not using right now, but it's going to like the better wrench. Okay, we're using this wrench. What's the better wrench? Right, right? But it's also the wrench that people don't want to talk about and they get angry. So I'm heretic. I'm a radical problem solver. So I was like, wow, I can get right into it with people, with human design, in a way that I can solve their business in an hour. Wow. Not everything. I can't I'm not a magician, but I people are wasting their time out here and not putting anyone down with coaches and guides and business coaches, and they're spending money, and they're spinning their wheels, and they're getting more influence, and they're losing, okay, they're losing confidence in themselves, yeah,

04:18

and that's why I stepped in with you.

Speaker 1  04:21

Yes, oh my gosh, that you're naming something so powerful there, because I felt like I had put something out there and I knew the language. What after I had posted, it was not I it was a little bit maybe judgy or something like that, and obviously wasn't going to be received. Well, I can't even remember what the post was, but all is to say, the confidence piece, it was like I just got crushed, you know. And my north node is in Leo, so I'm moving towards shining my light more, instead of just being the observer and the intellectual in the background, you know. And you have Saturn in Leo, right? So you're becoming. Like authority over time, in that place of confidence, in that seat of confidence professionally. So, like, I mean, and it makes so much sense, right? Like you're helping businesses restructure and step into a like a seat of confidence within themselves, right? Yeah.

Speaker 2  05:19

I mean, I tracked a lot of women with Leo North nodes and Aquarius South Node. I would say you're like the third woman in a row two prior clients, one in astrology client, one my current human design client, and I'm sure that people give advice to are like that too. I just don't know their data, but what I saw with you, and I'm a Leo midheaven, yeah, and I Venus in Leo. So what I saw with you was a woman. I had nothing wrong with what you said. I don't even remember it was touched with mundane astrology and fear mongering, or on mundane astrology. I thought it was taken out of context. I had to step in because I saw is a woman. I felt a woman who was going to shrink herself as a result of this, because these women, people out here internalize stuff. I don't I will throw it back in your face like a firecracker, but most women are not like that. Most women take one comment, internalize it. They never get on stage again. They don't put themselves out there again. They don't go on threads again. I remember you said something like, I think I need to take a step back from threads. Or, yeah, I was

Speaker 1  06:25

and I was like, participate in this thing, yeah? And you were like, I was like, No. And I was like,

Speaker 2  06:30

No, honey. Well, that's not what we're going to do. What we're going to do is we're going to call it the nonsense going on here. And I was like, I had nothing wrong with what you said, and I just wanted to make sure that you knew that what you said was fine, and it's other people's problem. It's not yours, and I don't step in in other people's business, like, it's, I'm not trying out here. Try to be like a superhero. I just like, I don't know we were meant to converse

Speaker 1  06:55

totally, right? It happened junk my North Node like, to the degree. So pretty powerful karmic placement, right, right, right,

Speaker 2  07:05

and I have Pluto on my North Node in Libra in the 11th Right?

Speaker 1  07:09

Exactly. So creating those collaborative relationships and transformative relationships for you, yes,

Speaker 2  07:15

yeah, transformative relationships for me and women Libra, I mean, not necessarily, but you know, who are changing the world in their own way and making sure that they are doing the work they need to do in the world, and helping them do that work in the world. Wow, whatever it is, if they're every every color under the rainbow, you can imagine, I work with all doing good stuff, not necessarily healer, not necessarily spiritualist, but they're transforming people's lives. Yeah, 100%

07:48

I mean, that is the work that. Yeah, exactly,

Speaker 2  07:51

yeah, Uranus on the midheaven, I checked you out. Yeah, right, right. And a Uranus on the midheaven can't be afraid of that kind of commentary.

Speaker 1  08:01

Yeah, right, well, and it's like looking at that, I mean, obviously whoever got attacked was an old, wounded part of myself, you know, was not my self. Who's like, okay, that's your business, you know, and so, but it's important, I think, that we have people in our lives and in our field, who can, kind of, like, cut through the bullshit of where we where our blind spots are, right, which is kind of what I think that superpower is for you, especially having your honest conjunct, your ascendant right in Scorpio, yes, through the illusion. And, you know, really kind of with the spidey sense. I mean, it's almost like this, this feeling I get from you is that there's just such a deep, intuitive knowing of what someone might need. Actually, in that moment, it's like a direct hit.

Speaker 2  09:00

Yeah, exactly, exactly. I'm recording a couple of case studies for clients who just were like, or they're like, I want to help you out. I'm like, You're not helping me out. You're helping the tribe out. Because people are going to buy this as a result of this, because it's hard to explain. It's like, we don't have anything out here like this. We have business coaching, we have therapy, we have readings, we have intuitive we have human design readings. We have strategy sessions. I do all of that at once. Yeah.

Speaker 1  09:27

So what do you call yourself? If that's all encompassing.

Speaker 2  09:31

The current title is business Alchemist and clarity architect.

Speaker 1  09:36

Say more about that if you could, like, unpack that process. Like, what does that look like for someone who's coming to work with you?

Speaker 2  09:45

So right now, what I do is clarity by design, which is my single session work. You know, I'm building out my bigger system, and that is just, it's what you experienced. You had a bite size of it. It's somebody's coming to me. They they're stuck, they're blocked. Right? Something's not working in their business, and they don't know what, but they know something, or they know they're on the edge of a shift. They want a new platform, change their business. Clients aren't working. Something's awry, and that's the business Alchemist part of the title. So what I do is, I come in. I don't know how I do it. This is I'm still learning this because it sounds too good to be true, but I can see their chart, and I can sometimes feel the minute they book. You know how energy shifts when you step forward? The Universe steps, yeah. So the minute they book, I already know what's going on, and then I require 48 hours before the session. Because what happens? I'll look at their chart 48 hours before. This is just human design. It's not astrology. And I for now, I don't know for now, and the chart will talk to me, and then I prepare a couple of notes. But really, in this session, it's like my I just am like, can we just there's no wet glove, there's no like, and there's no like. Let me tell me about your business and tell me about your we're not wasting time. It's like 75 minutes. Boom. Medicine done. Wow. And so what it is, is it's a harmonious size frequency. You walk away with a harmonious size frequency, because whatever you were, it's not mindset coaching. It's not like you can be. I've changed you. The thing that was out, the gear, we got the we got the screwdriver up in there, and then the thing that wasn't working is working, yeah. So I'm still learning this a little bit. But like an example is I work with a woman, I think believe last week time is weird right now, time is really weird. I believe it was last week, and her design was that she needs to speak for her intuition. And that sounds like a generic statement, but her specific design is, there's a part of human design that's a center of intuition, and there's a part of human design that is related to the throat, which is what we communicate, and she had multiple channels connecting them, and the other aspects of her, just to keep it, you know, she's coming on as a case study, so she won't mind me sharing this, but she

12:15

up in her head a lot,

Speaker 2  12:17

and I said, we need To get you just to speak from your intuition. Stop overthinking it. You are a leader. You do have something to say. People care what you have to say, because a lot of the people don't believe that. They don't see themselves as leaders. And so the next day or something, she was on a panel. She took the advice, spoke from her intuition. Everyone's coming up to her afterwards, wow. Everyone's like, Ah, you're a great this blah blah, blah, blah, blah. So what we've done now is we've changed her mental model, neuroscience, yeah, this isn't about energy anymore. This isn't about woo anymore. This is like your view of yourself is different now, because you have earth plane evidence that you when you speak from your intuition, good things happen.

13:10

And it was like that. Was like that.

13:15

I'm fascinated by this.

Speaker 2  13:17

I am too, and I do it. I just recorded a podcast. Said I'm the person doing this, and I'm wowed by my own work.

Speaker 1  13:24

That's beautiful. I mean, as you should,

Speaker 2  13:28

Leo med heaven, Venus and Leo, I'm not a flower. I'm not a wallflower.

Speaker 1  13:33

Yeah, I'm like, You're the leader for the leaders.

13:37

I'm the leader for the leaders.

Speaker 2  13:40

And as a five one, with Pluto on her north node, Uranus on her ascendant, I'm going to rub people the wrong way. I'm going to be too much for people. I'm going to scare people.

13:54

It's water off a duck's back.

Speaker 1  13:56

But you know what? I think that's actually what. That's what people who even like me, need to see, is that even if you're rubbing people the wrong way, even if you're you're being projected upon, you're like, whatever. And that's kind of the energy leaders need to bring to it, because there's a truth that that's there, there's an alignment that's there, that's like, well, it's, this isn't even about me. This is about the bigger picture here. And I'm not going to, like, let this one little person, or this person, like, get in the way of this, like, bigger picture that's emerging. I mean, that's just absurd. Yeah.

Speaker 2  14:41

I mean, I have such a harsh way of saying it, I'm not going to say it, but yeah, you said it in a much nicer way. And I just had a realization on this podcast that Libra reflection. I just had a moment you want me to share, the moment I just had, yeah, I realized that everything I've done in my life has been preparing me for this. Yeah. Hmm, Saturn, Leo, midheaven, yeah, the reps. So I grew up in a racist town. I grew up in the only brown person in the 70s 80s in New England. Which people love New England? We love gay marriage. We love pot. But we've got some issues. Okay, we've got some issues. We didn't, we didn't used to allow gay people in the parade. And we we have some issues. We have some busting issues. We had some issues so people didn't know what Indians were back then, because my parents were early wave. And so I learned early, you know, I have a South Node in Aries, okay, I was born into this. So I learned early that being like I never was. Was raised into you need to be liked. I wasn't going to be liked anyway. So then I was too dark, and I was called the N word and stuff like this. Then I went to college, and because I have light skin, I'm wearing an F ton of bronzer and blush right now, because I don't, I don't like I look. I can look washed out. I have anemia. I can look a little yellow, especially in the winter, but my skin is quite white. It has like a very it's very light skinned for being a full Indian. And so I got a lot of problems about that in college. And so I was always put in these situations where I was never it was never easy. I always had to kind of defend myself, and then Aries self note, you know, got into, you know, we had to, I had to put my reps in there. And then I was in advertising industry in New York, management consulting industry in New York, Silicon Valley tech industry. 14 years as an entrepreneur, supporting myself, cut throat industry, the supplement industry is extremely cutthroat. The beauty industry is extremely cutthroat. Cornell engineering that I went to back in the day, we didn't have computers. You took your notebook in the bathroom with you, because people would steal your stuff. Oh, my God. So the online world is like, it's like, I'm in a sandbox. I'm like, You don't like me, whatever.

Speaker 1  17:06

Yeah, and it's also like, I mean, the thing that especially threads, it's like, it's almost so there's no way for not, no way. But it's almost more challenging for it to be intimidating, because it's like this faceless profile. I mean, do we really even know that these people are real people? I mean, all that stuff, you know? Yeah, so. But, I mean, I think that awareness, that, aha, that revelation that's happening for you on this new Moon in Scorpio, not to culmination, but you know, it's opposing Uranus and like awakening to something about ourselves, or something in the shadow and and recognizing, yeah, my whole life prepared me for this.

Speaker 2  17:55

Yep, and Saturn at the top of the chart, unaspected, not an easy placement. Yeah. No one said that was going to come easy. Whatever I do in life, it didn't come easy, right? Hard work, hard reps, and being in those rooms where someone was going to come at you. And so I had an I'm not going to go too much into it, but I had an incident a couple weeks ago, started on threads trying to do a whole thing. Influencer didn't like me, made content on me, put it out to her hundreds of 1000s of followers, called me a racist. Yeah, I know threads is a luna lunacy the social media,

18:32

it's fake. Yeah, totally.

Speaker 2  18:36

And I made a podcast about it. I made an entire arc of podcasts about it, on my podcast, because I was like, This is the worst that's gonna happen. Because after this, I'm taking you to court. So if this is the worst, and then if you start to, you know, if we start to do slander, I'm gonna go to court. Because Saturn on the midheaven chess, not checkers, yeah? Social media is checkers. Real life is chess, yeah? So we, there's times for that, but I was like, Yeah, use it as content. Use it as commentary. About low side, Aquarius, high side, Leo. Like, who are we elevating as leaders? Right? Exactly, yeah, pitchfork culture, I

19:20

think also, because you're a Virgo son,

Speaker 1  19:24

you have this ability to really sift through the nonsense and really kind of get to, you know, like, what's what's real here, what's valuable, what's sustainable,

Speaker 2  19:38

right, right? And that's what I do in clarity by design. It's like I could tell you 25,000 things about your chart. Is it useful right now? Is it gonna change your business? Is it gonna solve your problem? Is it gonna get you a client tomorrow? No. So it's not a human design reading you don't even know to need. You don't know human design. It's not so you can learn about yourself you're. Are going to learn about yourself, but just not in, like, a cookie cutter way,

Speaker 1  20:04

sure, yeah, you need it as a tool and a reference to see what's going on, right? Not like, here's an interpretation in the traditional sense, yeah,

Speaker 2  20:17

right, right? And I just think a lot of business advice is generic.

Speaker 1  20:22

Yeah, it is, and that I actually just experienced myself. And you know, over the 12 years that I've been in private practice, I have done a lot of different containers and trainings and, you know, programs and they all basically sell you the same exact thing, yep, in a different with different language. Yeah. And it just finally occurred to me this summer that I was just like we but what if you're a person who doesn't actually fit into those kinds of boxes, right?

Speaker 2  20:56

Yep, exactly, exactly. I mean, can I share a little bit of what our exchange was, yeah, so you said something. You said you're too for and I don't know why I felt like I needed to get up in there, right, maybe, so we could have this conversation. And I'm sure there's no coincidences in life. And you said something like, I don't want to be a problem solver or something. Yeah.

Speaker 1  21:16

I was like, Oh, you. You said something about problem solving and maybe five one or profile or whatever. And then I said, Oh, that's such a relief, because I'm kind of tired of trying to solve people's problems. And you were like, well, yeah, perfect, because

Speaker 2  21:31

you that's not what you're here to do. Yeah, no, no, I'm here to do that. Yes, right? You're not here to do that. And think about that math. If I'm a five, one and you're two, four, we have no numbers in common now. Profile is one piece. There's 64 gates, I'm just saying, but it's what people understand. Because you can get a free report. You can look it up. Okay, it's free. I get it. It's useful. But why would we be here to do the same thing if we have different numbers? Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1  22:00

And can you? Can you just, like, for the people who, because I know a lot of people who subscribe here into astrology, but they don't necessarily know that much design, human design, like, what, what is a profile? And what does that speak? Okay, okay.

Speaker 2  22:14

Profile is your role in the world. Okay? It's something anybody can find for free online, any free report, and it is, I don't want people to go do this. It's kind of like your positioning back of the envelope, but please use it like you'd use a sun sign. Like, if you guys are astrologers, you know, like, use it with care. Don't run off with the I'm a Virgo. So, you know, it's one piece, but the profile is really profound. And I will tell you why the profile is profound, because I'm assuming your audience is on the older side, established side, been around the block in life. If you look up a profile, and then I'll get into more detail of what it is, if you look it up and you're like, This is not me at all. Human Design is not for you.

Speaker 1  23:00

Ah, interesting,

23:03

great litmus test before you waste time

Speaker 2  23:07

because your birth time is wrong, or for whatever reason, that system is just not for you, like you're here to be healed by a different modality. I think everyone can learn from it, but I am certified in NLP, and I spent 1000s of dollars. I probably spent $10,000 between certification and high the best in the world. And I was like, this doesn't work for me.

23:31

Conscious programming. I need unconscious stuff.

Speaker 2  23:35

Maybe I did it wrong. Maybe it was the wrong step of my journey, whatever. But for if you are someone who looks up your profile and you have an incorrect birth time, and you're like, This is not me at all. Human Design is not for you right now. You can put it on the shelf. Go learn something else, work with somebody else, and then come back. Great, because other aspects of your chart are affected by the people around you. They're affected by the planets, they're affected by the transits. They're affected by astrology. But your profile is not

Speaker 1  24:06

okay, so it's kind of like this core pillar.

Speaker 2  24:10

It's a core pillar Virgo. I'm going to give you what's the juiciest piece, and you're not going to see that on the memes on Instagram. You're not going to see that on the surface nonsense, okay? Because it doesn't sell. Um, so your profile is your sun and your earth. We don't have Earth in astrology, but we have the sun, but the sun in human design has way more prominence, because human design is about energy. Okay, wow, so the sun gives us life. Yeah, right, right. I think that because it was from a white man, he de emphasized the moon. I don't like that. He de emphasized the moon. And traditional human design does not use Chiron. I do, however, irrelevant for profile Sun, Earth. What are you here to do on Earth?

25:00

Hmm, right. Okay, what's your role? Yeah, it's So why were you put here?

Speaker 1  25:07

And so in your case, as a five one, you're here to solve people's problems.

Speaker 2  25:12

I'm here to be a visionary resource. So it means the solutions I come up with are not going to be conventional. They're going to push humanity forward. The founder of human design was a five one,

25:25

fascinating. Okay, so he

Speaker 2  25:27

was a rough he's not. He was also a manifester, which their types in human design. The manifestors are like, the 9% who are like, they turn the key. They're they're head of people. They're like, like, my friend, who's a manifester, told me about human design two years later, I got on it. Now I have a podcast on it. She's moved on to something else. They turn the key and they're, they're on the way, right? He was that. So he died long before human design was even a thing. I think he died in the 90s. I'm not sure. Yeah, I'm not sure. But he came up with this, like, 4050, years ago, people thought he was a quack. Yeah, it was, it sounds crazy, yeah, right. And he was a rough dude. He was not a dude that was a touchy feely. He was not a healer. He was an advertising Exec. Wow, he's rich, and he was a man and he was white, and he was a manifester and he was a five one. So that's like sandpaper on your face, right? But the system is genius, and I five one is very much like people will burn you at the stake. So I know put my reputation on anything unless I have studied it. I studied it for four years and lived it for four years before I work with anybody with it,

Speaker 1  26:41

Saturn, yeah, I was gonna say Saturn up there, yeah.

Speaker 2  26:45

So that's the profile. And so you as a two, four, you have a natural gift that is brought out by your network,

26:53

by the people around me, yeah,

Speaker 2  26:56

and collaborators, ex clients, people in your network. I would consider threads, network. I mean, network is changing, yeah, events you go to, people you meet. I could be, you know, someone's like, Oh, I'm looking for someone who's like, a therapist or like account I know someone like, that's you, and you're gonna elevate your network. That's what this is, right, exactly. And you're not here to, like, be I mean, everyone says the businesses are here to solve problems. I mean, not really. I mean, well, I think

Speaker 1  27:32

that's actually why I have, in this particular year, I'm in a 10th house, perfected year, this year, and what I've since May, and I've been thinking a lot about, like, my business, and, you know, I'm 12 years in, so it's full Jupiter cycle, and I'm, I feel like I'm outgrowing how I do the work that I do, right? And, like, all of the ways in which it's worked for me in the past, like, aren't working anymore, and I need to, kind of, like, reframe something, or, you know, do something in a different way, where it feels more authentic to me. I have Pluto going through my first house, you know, and and it's like I'm under reconstruction, just even in who I am. And so when you said that, it was kind of like this permission slip, because here I've been like, oh, okay, so when I sit down to write a sub stack article, I have to come up with something that's really useful, something that's practical, practical solutions. I'm helping people solve problems, whereas what my and I struggle with that it'll take me hours to write, and I'm a writer like it doesn't it's one of the ways in which I express myself, Gemini mood, but when I sit down to do it in that capacity, it's like this block shows up where I'm like, I'm not part of the equation. It's like this detached version of myself and what I'm seeing needs to shift, is that I need to bring more of my experience, my perspective, forward in a more personal way, which is, you know, more vulnerable too, right? You put more vulnerable self out there into the world, and it's like, you know, you open yourself up for judgment, attack, whatever, criticism, all these things.

Speaker 2  29:21

Just call me. I'll yell at them, and then you can keep going exactly.

Speaker 1  29:24

I'll be like, where are my people? You know, you know what I Yeah, but also, yeah, I guess, like, just knowing that, that that's not like, I'm not here to be like other people who just go and create the five steps. This is the solution for you. Or, you know, the cookie cutter astrology posts that there's so many of them now I'm like, I can't handle it. Like, I don't even want to be an astrologer anymore. Shame. You know, you. So anyway, so I'm like, in this, you know, identity, disillusion, in a way, because I'm like, Okay, well, I know I'm a natural counselor. I know I, you know, I have all these different Claire gifts, you know, Claire audience, Claire voyance, all this stuff that I can bring into my sessions with people to help them transform. But what else you know? And there's also this part of me that's like, ready to just be a creative person, you know, and be in that helper role. But it also feels like, Could I really do that, you know? Can I really away from this?

Speaker 2  30:40

I don't know. I mean, I think you are naming what everybody is thinking right now. I don't care what their job is. I don't care if they're admitting it to themselves or just like popping pills and like buying extra Christmas ornaments at Target to to drown themselves in their sorrow. Um, everyone is like, I want to throw everything away.

Speaker 1  30:58

Yes, it's so true. So true.

Speaker 2  31:02

Yeah, I plan to go shopping in December and just buy I'm like, as soon as I do and I have a few more clothes, I'm getting rid of everything I own. It's really old anyway. I mean, I've been worn it for years. Like, I just Taurus Moon. I'm very practical. I mean, living like a fuzzy but some of my stuff's got holes in it. I'm just like, I'm getting rid of everything. Like, I just, it's old me. Yeah, right, every Yes, the shed, the I think this new moon. I don't think this acquaintance we're meeting, because what time zone are you in?

31:28

You're in mountain time. What time does it start?

31:32

1am for me. 1:30am for me. I'm Eastern.

31:35

Okay, yeah, today for you,

Speaker 1  31:38

yeah, yeah. I'm two hours behind. Yeah.

Speaker 2  31:42

Okay, so today, let's round up. Today. I think, I firmly believe this is the start.

31:50

I mean, the conjunction is in four months, three months,

Speaker 2  31:52

exactly, February, 20, right? This is it, yeah, this is it. And I think everyone is like, but I got this degree, but I did this, but I built this website, but I mean, it's like,

Speaker 1  32:03

and, yeah, it's not it, yeah, it's

Speaker 2  32:07

not it. And I'm gonna tell you what you already know, but you need me to tell you, I do. You got Uranus on the top of the freaking chart, like, where I have Saturn, you have Uranus. There is nothing you're here to do. Is supposed to be like other people are doing it. Yeah, if you're doing anything like anybody else is doing it, you're wrong, like you You're going the wrong way. Right.

Speaker 1  32:30

Go the other way. Well, where's my ascendant? It opposes my son and my notes. So I have this grand fixed cross in my chart that includes Uranus, Uranus and yeah, I mean, I'm an Aquarius rising. I know I'm not here to do it the way that other people are doing it, but it's like, I guess it's, well, I guess that's pretty scary to not know where to go. Scary.

Speaker 2  32:59

It's scary. Next year's people are a lot of people a lot of people are scared. People don't know, and they're clinging on to what they know, because that's what we do. Humans do, that we fear change. People say, oh, people love change. No. Now, the subconscious likes to stay fed and safe and and liked. But I don't know, like, I have so much like scorpionic stuff in my chart, I mean Mars out of bounds, and the eighth is my ruling planet. I'm Scorpio rising. You're like, I'm not your typical person. And because the background I come from, I've never been the person who fit in, right, right? I'm never going to fit in. I have Uranus on my ascendant. I realize I walk into rooms, i i magnetize half the room. I scare the rest

Speaker 1  33:41

of the room. I've had that same impact on people, which is interesting, Uranus

Speaker 2  33:46

will the Uranus Aquarius rising?

Speaker 1  33:48

Probably, yeah. I mean, I've always kind of been an outsider in some capacity, and have lived walked a different path. I still am walking a different path. And I remember the first astrology reading I ever had, he said that he's like, you're not, you know, you're not going to be walking. You're a pheasant in the barnyard. Is what he called me. And he's like, so you intimidate people, or you threaten something about them, and you have a different perspective that sometimes people are just not interested in hearing. You know, I

Speaker 2  34:15

don't see that at all with you. I see this, like, see this thing I'm wearing, like, I'm, I'm like, a wolf in sheep's clothing. I love this. If you haven't, you've seen the meme, there's like, a whole bunch of sheep, and then there's the wolf, and he's in the sheep. Yeah, that's me. I walk in and disrupt because I'm Saturn off the top of my charts. You think I'm a lawyer. And then I walk and I melt your face off, right? I love it. I love I walk in and like, the Ann Taylor outfit. And I was like, Oh, what do you? What do you do? And I'm like, I'm an alchemist, yeah, like, Oh no, but you feel like a warm, fuzzy blanket to me. So I don't know if it's the Uranus, sorry, Aquarius rising, just if I had this, like, protectionistic, like, like, into instinct with you. Mm. Hmm, like, I was like, we have to protect the sheep here. Not that you're sheep, but you're, like, a,

35:06

I don't see that at all. Well,

Speaker 1  35:08

your Jupiter Mars conjuncts My Venus in cancer.

Speaker 2  35:13

Oh, protection, yeah. Protection, yeah.

Speaker 1  35:16

It's a lot of my clients actually have some sort of conjunction with my natal Venus, oh, conjunction, or an aspect, it's really interesting. A lot of my clients, yeah. And I have a lot of cancer rising clients too, just as a side note, but, but, yeah, yeah. I mean, I just think what you're speaking to, and I've been talking about this too, this whole year, I've been, you know, just reminding people that, like we're in a process of shedding we're in a nine year. Numerologically, we're moving into a one year, the Saturn Neptune conjunction, and at zero degrees of areas, is going to be like a complete reset for humanity at large, and then however, that shows up for us personally, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we're in like a birth portal, which is such a cliche thing to say, because I feel like we how many times a year do we say this thing? But it's true, so true.

Speaker 2  36:08

Yeah, and it started at the Virgo Eclipse, because the full moon is on March 3, right? I mean, I rarely use wood portal I've taken out of my language because it's been, you know, taken by other people. I didn't I refuse to call myself a business Alchemist for the longest time, we got, we talked about this in the thread, have That's right, yeah. And two years ago, yeah, two years ago, I got in, like, a Silicon Valley type podcast. The guy had no idea what human design was. I was like, What am I doing here? His assistant book me. She's a bit Woo. She found me. She liked me, and then he looked at me as like you're a business Alchemist.

36:46

Thank you for the title. Thank you for the title.

Speaker 2  36:48

Took me two years to own that because it sounded dumb. Everybody uses it. Nobody can actually do what I do. I'm sorry. Leo made of it. I apologize. But people who are alchemists, calling themselves alchemists are not alchemists out here. They're not, they're not, yeah, um, I went to like, a butterfly place a couple of weeks ago. It's one of the my last I don't post on Instagram much, but it's one of the top most reels. And a blue morph butterfly, which is a big transformation butterfly, you know, the huge butterfly, landed in my hair while walking around. In my hair, it's in the wheel. I'm just walking around. It's hanging out spread. And I'm like, I'm owning it. Wow, I'm owning that. I'm an alchemist. This whole brand started because I met this red tail boa it she's also on my feed. There's a picture of her, and she's, you can see her like, wrapped around me. And she, I love snakes, obviously. And she was crawling up in my face. She's on my face and stuff, so it's not for the squeamish, but she's the one that's why I came out with my astrology. I started posting on Instagram about astrology.

37:54

Wow. And what was that? 1111?

Speaker 2  37:58

2021, not making that up. Wow, I know. Yeah, I went for a dentist appointment. I swear to God, my friend who has a snake, she lived in the neighborhood, and I was like, Let's hang out. And that was that, wow. I'm actually going to 1122 which is coming up. Yeah, I'm going to post the reel of her. I have a real I have a real I have all this footage I'm going to put together. Was never the right time to show her, and now it is, yeah, because I was like, oh, people are uncomfortable with snakes. And I'm like, I'm like, Why do I care about other people? It's my Instagram. Yeah, it's yours. See, we have our own. We all have our own, yeah,

Speaker 1  38:38

interesting, right? Your own stuff. So you do have it somewhere, it's like, in there, no, yeah, it's a human condition. It's a human condition,

Speaker 2  38:46

but it's all accomplished from like, oh, I don't want to make people uncomfortable, like, if they're afraid of snakes or something like, but I'm like, Shiva has a snake around him. Every major culture like, reveres snakes. Like, what are we doing? Why are you? I don't think she was ready. I think Liz Weezy, that was her name. I didn't make it up. She wasn't ready to appear. She appears, you know, we can just talk about, I mean, the goddess uprising that's going to happen next year. The female uprising

39:17

is huge, huge. People aren't ready.

Speaker 1  39:21

Yeah, and so let's talk about that a little bit like, how can people get ready?

39:29

We starting by what we did together.

Speaker 2  39:33

Whatever is the surface nonsense, and I'm going to call that threads exchange a surface nonsense. It's irrelevant. We can't let that stuff get in the way of the bigger mission, right? So you had like, a level three, which felt like a level 10, of the person attacking you, and you're like, I don't know if I'm going to do this. And I'm like, no, no, we're not going to have that. We're going to come in. I had the level 10 because I'm a little bit I had the influencer. Player who's got the hundreds of 1000s of followers creating hate content about me, right? Because, you know, calling someone a racist is pretty much the worst thing you can do in our society. So tried to weaponize poor people against me. It didn't work. And low side, Aquarius. Low side, Aquarius, yeah, pitchfork, yeah. I'm like Aries South Node. I mean, I've been to war 500 million years before I met came on earth. Like I don't, yeah, and, you know, I don't like to get into battles. I'm Aries South Node. I live that life. I like to be Libra, but I'm also there. I will throw hands if I need to. And I think when people can prepare in their own way, just like I had a client the other week, she used to, she always just a rash, like explain herself.

41:01

And I said for 30 days, I

41:05

want you to not do that. And

Speaker 2  41:09

I don't mean in your business, because that's a lot. I mean, like at Trader Joe's. I mean, when the doctor's office is like, can you we? Can you could come in a half an hour earlier? Or can we just No,

41:20

set the boundary, yeah? Or Sure,

41:23

that sounds great. Well, yeah, I could do that, but I don't know.

41:26

No, yeah,

41:30

I think that's how we prepare

Speaker 2  41:34

Claire, because I think we we erode ourselves when we do that

Speaker 1  41:38

well, and the South Node supports that through Virgo right now

41:42

for explaining

Speaker 2  41:45

out of service, out of I didn't want to put this snake on there about a service to some random person who can choose not to look at it because they might be afraid of snakes. I'm like

Speaker 1  41:57

what they can go like this and swipe on by.

Speaker 2  42:00

I know. But if you listen to some my podcast, the stuff I say is so over the top, like, it's not white glove, it's just we're very in humans are so inconsistent, absolutely, yeah, so, so, yeah, that's, that's kind of what I do. And, you know, kind of like what you felt, remember I said, like, you feel different, right? One thread, you felt different.

Speaker 1  42:26

Yeah, it just opened something up for me, that again, like you had said, it was like the butterfly. It was like, I had probably heard that, read that elsewhere, and it just didn't land. But the way delivery with which you bring, the truth is, what actually lands, which not many people have that gift.

Speaker 2  42:51

Thank you. Yeah, I just got a an insight when you did that. That's what. That's why the blue morph butterfly, because it's in my sales, my sales page, everything of mine is very like simple. It's because I don't do the fancy pants right now. I'm like, later, later. But it's in the Cal com, and I said I set you free. It has a blue morph butterfly. That's exactly what it is. It's so simple. It's so simple. But we feel like, because, like, what I do doesn't exist right now, and what you ever you're creating doesn't exist. It's like we don't. We don't know how to talk about it. We need other people to talk about it for us, right? Uh huh. So that's the thing. You're undefined throat. I'm undefined throat. So for human design, people who don't know that's a center where you communicate, and 25% of the population has it undefined, which means it's open, uncolored, and so it's rare. And we like, I mean, I have two podcasts. It's not that I can't talk but it's like, I I can't really talk about myself. I like other people are going to bring out my goodness. Same with you? Yeah.

Speaker 1  44:01

I feel that. I feel that. Yeah.

Speaker 2  44:05

So since this is your podcast, your people already know this, but I'm going to ask you as a two, four, what is your natural gift?

44:12

Put you on the spot here?

Speaker 1  44:14

Well, the first thing that comes to mind is like pattern recognition. But I don't know if that's actually it, but I don't know, but I would say that I'm really good at spotting patterns in people's lives, not just in the chart. I mean, this is a tool that I use it to, like, right lean into and be like, well, this is why, but it's also the material that I listen to when I'm sitting across from somebody. Even if I'm not I'm not even aware of their chart, it's what I can hear in their story, and how I can kind of connect the dots with that.

44:46

Yeah, it's kind of like we, we do similar things in that way,

Speaker 2  44:51

because I have very little two line energy, but my Uranus is on a two line,

Speaker 1  44:56

okay, so, yeah, that awakening energy,

Speaker 2  44:59

that ability. Need it pattern. It's, it's gate 44 which is the pattern make, basically. So we do the same thing in different ways. Wow. I mean,

Speaker 1  45:07

like, it does feel like that, because there are, there are times when clients will say, like, Wow, I've never had that said to me before. Or, like, I've never thought of it that way. You know, that kind

Speaker 2  45:19

of thing. Yeah, that's exactly it. That's that Uranus, and it's futuristic, even astrology and counseling, even if you just did what you do right now, that's not really typical, yeah,

Speaker 1  45:31

I guess not. I mean, I have been that's been reflected to me a couple of times, of just like, Well, how do you do what it is that you do? And I'm like, I don't even know how to explain what it is that I do, because it's like, a process. I've never delineated the process. I mean, yes, I know astrology, but how do I actually sit down with a human being, listen to their experience and then weave it back to the chart and pull information? You know,

45:53

it's alchemy in its own right.

Speaker 2  45:55

Yeah, it is, it is, it's. I mean, I'm here to like, Well, I would like to throw the business industry on its head, and I would just want to get in front of the a couple of the right people to experience this, and then I think it'll take off from there, because it has to be experienced, yeah, and I had an Akashic reader told me four years ago or three years ago, least three years might have been Four years ago. She said, You need to be experienced. To be understood. She's like, you can't be labeled. And I was like, well, that's not really helpful as someone in business,

46:31

but it's true.

Speaker 2  46:33

So yeah, that's what clarity by design is. I do, do astrology work. It's less, it's a smaller part of what I do now. Because like you, I don't really love the industry. And I'm like, How much do I want to be associated with this nonsense? Right? Exactly. It's a rush to the bottom. But I love transit progressed astrology, yeah.

Speaker 1  46:54

Oh, it's so amazing, so powerful. I mean, your progressed midheaven is conjunct your north node right now. Yeah. So massive for you. I would guess

Speaker 2  47:09

I'm going to fix Grand Cross coming up Pluto in the in Aquarius is going to activate my T square, fixed grand t square.

Speaker 1  47:16

And then Jupiter is going to move into Leo in June. And then you'll be in a second house perfected year, which Jupiter will be your Time Lord. So that's huge.

Speaker 2  47:25

Yeah, feels big. Feels big. It feels like I gotta get my, you know what, together, like all the things, the paperwork I haven't done, and the stuff I need to throw away, and that the I feel like we can't have that going into 20. We can, we can, we can ease into it. We got to ease into it, right? Because we got the nine year ending. We got the Scorpio moon cycle. Then we got the nine year. Then, if you believe in human design, that ends at the end of January this year, okay? It's when the Sun moves into a certain gate in Aquarius, because considered that varies per year. Then we got a year the snake ending. Then we got the conjunction, yep. And then we got the sun moving into Aries, so we have time to ease into this.

48:10

And then Uranus moves into Gemini, and boom, right.

Speaker 1  48:15

Well, I mean, and there's a solar eclipse in Aquarius coming up in February also. And then that's going to give us the preview of that whole cycle, which that's the impactful, right? Because you're midheavens and Leo, yeah?

Speaker 2  48:30

I mean, it feels big. It feels big and it feels kind of scary. It also feels kind of frustrating. You know? I think people like us who are on the cusp, it's kind of like, why bother? Like, it's just the stuff is so played out. People are so people like the surface, and it's like, yeah, I know it

Speaker 1  48:50

does feel like that. I mean, I over the past couple of years, there's been new voices emerging, which is like, it's great, good for you. And at the same time, it's become a noisier space to speak into. And it's like, what is the point? Am I really going to get hurt here 100 100%

Speaker 2  49:13

and then I go to an event. I went to an event recently with a woman. Her name is Kelly Hunter, and she's been in the industry for forever, like OG OG OG OG, okay, I always want to elevate the women who've been there, who, because they paved the way, and she did this talk on humea, who is a Kuiper Belt goddess. I'm increasingly interested in the Kuiper Belt, and she's in Scorpio too, and she'll be there for a long time, because, you know, outer, outer, outer, outer, trans, new, Neptunian. And I was just listening to her, I'm like, and I'm a Virgo. I'm very discerning about people. I was like, I could just talk to this woman, and anything she says is gonna be absolute, just gold, right? I'm gonna learn just from five. And I was like,

49:57

Who are we elevating? What are we doing? What.

50:01

Why? What are we doing here? Yeah, great

50:03

question. I had this. I had a really, I had a a

Speaker 2  50:07

moment after that where I was just feeling really down about everything, because I was just like, how can we get the people who've done the reps Saturn on the midheaven, right? How can we get those people? I mean, she's in her, I believe she's in her 60s. Maybe, you know, it's like, she's

50:23

like, how do we get these people talking?

50:25

Yeah, and, like, listen to their wisdom.

Speaker 2  50:28

And she's on substack. She has a big brand. I mean, she's been on Pam Gregory's like, she's, she's not someone that people don't know. I just, it was just, it was an example. It was just, like, a,

50:39

well, you're a lot of people.

Speaker 1  50:40

I mean, there's no doubt time is coming.

Speaker 2  50:45

I hope so. I hope so. I feel like I've been preparing for this, and I'm doing more podcasts now. I was more inward before. I didn't feel like I was ready to share what I was doing with the world, because it wasn't baked yet. I've been working on this for three years. This particular clarity by design, what I do right now that has been a three year journey.

51:09

So like of working Saturn cycle,

Speaker 2  51:15

potentially, I think it's a channel of mutation. It's a when, when Pluto is sitting in gate 60, which is a gate in human design that's the cusp. That's the cusp of Capricorn Aquarius. It's been in that gate on and off since 2021 early, and

51:30

it's leaving on December 9. Just say,

Speaker 2  51:35

So, because of my configuration, I have the So, if this is the gate below it, and this is the gate above it. I have that now I have, like, a zinger. We've got like a bar form, and that wouldn't be there. And this particular channel is a channel of people who create things onto Earth that don't exist yet, right?

Speaker 1  51:52

Wow. And that is quite the challenge in and of itself.

Speaker 2  51:57

Yeah, it's a challenge. It's not linear. It's mutative, right? It's i Oh, it's like, I have this idea for something. We're gonna put it on a shelf. Client comes to me and says, do you do this thing? I think this would? I think I have someone in mind, who you should I want her to and I was like, I'm pulling off the shelf. Then I work with her, and I'm like, Oh, this is it. Then I put it out there. Then someone else is like, Oh, this is it. And then you get the data, the Saturn, the diligence, yeah, right. So that's, that's the stage I'm in, but it's ready. It's ready now for public it's ready. It's on my link tree. I'm announcing it to my podcast tomorrow. Amazing. Perfect for this new moon. Yeah, I've never actually publicly announced it. It's like, quietly on my link tree, but you I technically I'm announcing it here and I'm announcing it on my podcast tomorrow, beautiful, which is a human design informed podcast for business owners. So that would be the audience for that particular offering. And what's that?

Speaker 1  52:58

Called the podcast? Clear signal, clear signal, Oh, I love these phrases, clear signal. And then there's clarity by design, which is your

53:08

offer. Yep, that's the offering.

Speaker 2  53:11

And my other podcast is cosmic brew, which is like political commentary and social commentary meets dark goddess. Oh, love that. It's, it's spicy. It's a spicy fly. Yeah, that's a collective, that's a collective discussion. It's not like what you do, it's the opposite kind of what you do. Okay, you're, you're working on people's insides. That's talking about society. And I don't call it mundane astrology, because I don't do global but it's like it shifts. Now I'm talking more business. It, it has, it birthed on the Virgo Full Moon in 2022, right, when Pluto was starting to speed up. And, yeah, wow. So it's been a documentation. It's all the players, all these all the players. It's been a documentation of how society has shifted over the past four years. Oh, cool, yeah. And I've had some really cool, cool women on there. I've had a if you ever want to come on there and talk, that'd be cool. I've had a Harvard trained psychiatrist who has wrote a book on Chiron. I have a woman who's an AI tech exec who calls herself a witch and is a clinical herbalist.

54:26

Wow, that's awesome. What a cool bridge.

Speaker 2  54:29

We're out here. Am I a former math engineer? We're out here

Speaker 1  54:35

well, and we just think like this time is, is the time where people who do those multiple, you know, like, live those parallel lives, or, like, can blend those worlds, you know, you're honest in Gemini. Like, nobody's just gonna be doing the one thing, it's just not gonna be like that.

Speaker 2  54:54

No, and I said this on my podcast, is that I don't even think I'm gonna hire a copywriter to write my copy. Until Uranus goes into Gemini. Because I think language

55:02

is going to change 100% Yeah.

Speaker 1  55:06

Well, already people are like, I can't use the M dash anymore with AI, you know, and all the other, you know, ways in which people are communicating, connecting, in general, I think, well, look at how we

Speaker 2  55:19

we connected Uranus in Gemini vibration. Then, which we connected, when Uranus, I believe, was in Gemini. And then, you know, I just said one word, like that thing that I said about you being a two four, that wasn't vocal, I don't think I didn't, we didn't work

Speaker 1  55:35

together, wasn't a pain, like I just was a transmission,

Speaker 2  55:38

a transmission through words, but written word,

55:43

asynchronous written word, which is kind of interesting.

Speaker 1  55:47

Well, it's frequency, yes, and

Speaker 2  55:50

that's what human design is. Forget all the memes, forget all the pop culture, forget all the big names, forget all that. It's frequency. Astrology is timing and soul evolution and your identity is changing and your life is changing because you are changing. Amazing. I do that in cosmic catalyst, which is my everything's in my stuff, great. I'm going to put all that stuff here. So, yeah, human design is frequency, and the two can work together. They don't have to be at odds with one another, right?

Speaker 1  56:20

Like, there's these systems that can coexist. This doesn't, doesn't have to be. This is better than, I mean, that's another thing in the astrological community. It's like, oh my god, I'm like, whatever works for you, it all makes sense. Many paths to the truth here. Like, let's not get this confused.

Speaker 2  56:36

Many paths of the truth. Vedic, you're into Vedic, great. You want to do side reel. Love you. You want whole sign. Wonderful. I'm getting interested in Uranian astrology. Cool. I had a hit. Someone had said that on a Facebook thing. I was like, all of a sudden, my and of course, you know people who don't know Uranian astrology is very different. It's from Germany. It's very heavily math based, and you can't even use the existing software for

Speaker 1  57:04

that, right? It's like, got its own diet something. I'm like, I might just take that just class, just to why not learn something new?

Speaker 2  57:14

Learn something new. I'm into the transpersonal now. I'm into the not trans Neptunian Kuiper Belt. Yeah. I like where we haven't been right? Like new territory, new territory.

Speaker 1  57:28

Well, it's so true, because it seems so like everything's become this, like people are bored, you know, and they're overstimulated and they're overwhelmed, and they don't know what to even, they don't even know how to synthesize and integrate even the past five years. Yeah, and what's unfolded? So, yeah, I think I was watching speaking of Pam Gregory. I was watching her talk to this woman who was channeling somebody, I can't remember who, but anyway, they, they were just talking about how this period of time is really great for just being in silence, actually, the energy kind of land in the body, and to create that spaciousness for new information that wants to come through. Because, to your point, you know, I think you mentioned something about like, oh, I started feeling kind of down about this or and I think that that is where we can go with that Saturn Neptune energy is like this, like devolution into hopelessness and despair. Like, what's the point? Right? Whereas, if we don't create that container for hope and for the future, what can we even walk into?

Speaker 2  58:39

This is true. This is true. It's kind of fun talking to someone who does more personalized like, like, because I have been so I recorded 40 episodes for cosmic brew since Uranus went into Gemini crazy, because there was so much happening, I hate to report on it. I'm like a newscaster. I haven't had the time to sit back for myself, which I'll take a break soon and be like, because people need to convey season three is to say, like, Okay, how is this affecting me? How is this affecting like, my life? Virgo, right. Serve, serve, serve. But then, you know, and I don't do it out of like, it's just, it's just the way we are. It's just

Speaker 1  59:20

instinct. So many planets above the horizon of your chart,

Speaker 2  59:23

yeah, yeah. And I was never in the public eye until four years ago, right?

Speaker 1  59:29

Well now, yeah, it seems like that's going to change. That's going to be

Speaker 2  59:35

I'm like, you know, I'm ready for it, but I'm also like, Are they ready for me? Am I too much, you know?

Speaker 1  59:41

Oh, here's the thing, Saturn and Neptune and Aries is all right, leadership,

Speaker 2  59:47

right? We need it. Need it.

Speaker 1  59:49

We need people to go first. We need people who are authentic. We need people who are no bullshit, yeah, you know, real, true visionaries, not this. Like, I don't know, distorted version of leadership that we've been sold over the past, however long.

Speaker 2  1:00:06

Oh, my God, this is what I'm talking about. This is what I talk about. I have a podcast dropping tomorrow that I recorded in my car last night. And I was like, Is this the how I want to kick off season two of my podcast, which is professional, you know, cosmic Pro is, like, the smoke section in the back, and then clear signal is like, you know, and I think I might drop that podcast. It was in my car. It was a riff on the human design community and the fake leaders in it. And real leadership is not about being nice, right? Real leadership is about elevating. And sometimes we elevate by pointing out what's wrong.

1:00:40

Yeah, of course you have to,

Speaker 2  1:00:44

yeah, I'm so ready. I am so ready for Saturn Neptune and air. I hope I don't I'm not disappointed, because I'm so, like, I've been waiting for this for like, two years.

Speaker 1  1:00:53

Like, I'm excited. I don't see why we shouldn't be excited. And I kind of get the sense that, you know, there's been that language put around of like the world has bifurcated since 2020 right? Do you feel that? I feel like we are living in different dimensions? Some people are still living out the dimension of just, I mean, I don't even know what to call it, but I don't live there. That's the past, yes, yeah, the past,

Speaker 2  1:01:24

yeah, yeah, like, nothing's changed. We're just going to win LinkedIn, we're going to talk about my B to B sales like we we're not going to act like everyone is like, in the verge of a nervous breakdown and poverty, yeah?

Speaker 1  1:01:41

And it's, you know, there's a staleness and that fresh, you know, zero degrees Aries. It's like a fresh movement that can, Yep,

Speaker 2  1:01:55

I'll just say this, as we probably are going to close soon. I'll say that right before I left the Bay Area, I was talking to a friend of mine. And you know that, you know, because very scorpionic, you know how in the tarot, the original, oh, that's the cancer card of the Tarot, the moon card, but six and a half one doesn't have another, you know, the lobster, it's coming up out of the water in the original, okay, I said to him, I feel like I'm living in the shell of an old life that is literally the moment, and that's the Collect that's the collective moment we're in right now, moment

1:02:29

that is literally it,

Speaker 2  1:02:32

and it's starting to smell. She's done it again. It's starting to smell.

Speaker 1  1:02:39

Yeah, exactly. So we're taking it off. We're not entering into 2026,

1:02:45

with that old shell. It has to go.

Speaker 2  1:02:48

You can't cover up fish smell with perfume. You gotta throw it away.

Speaker 1  1:02:51

100% Yeah, oh my gosh. Well, thank you so much. This has been amazing. I want to have you back. I don't know when we'll talk about but I know we could just yavan on forever, and I will include all of the links to all of your offerings, anything else, like parting words or anything else you want to name before we when

Speaker 2  1:03:13

is this going to air? Do you know week, probably tomorrow. Oh, well, I'm doing this thing I just came came up with this morning, maybe a bad idea, but bad ideas are great stories for anybody who does, I think for the first three people who work with me, with clarity, clarity by design, this year, I'm going to do a follow up session, like a 30 minute follow up in January, like integration session, Q and A, I don't know. We'll figure it out. It'll be good. So for I'm going to announce it on my podcast tomorrow, but if anyone's interested, and they're like, Oh, I kind of, I'll wait till next year. No, do it now. Do it now, because we're entering a one year, step into the one year with the clarity. It's like, don't worry. It's not coaching. It's not like, here's the 12 step project plan you need, and now I gotta it's not, it's it feels like I say it on the sales, the sales page, it feels like an exhale. And who's not? So if it's speaking to you, I was going to offer that up. I'm happy to do that here for folks. I'm only offering that here and on my podcast.

Speaker 1  1:04:18

So what a nice gift. Well, thank you cool. Well, thanks for joining us today. And yeah, all the best to you. I look forward to just watching you blossom same.

1:04:32

Awesome. All right, take care. You too.